Can God Be in the Presence of Sin? – #3 Post of 2010

Post Author: Bill Pratt

The Bible clearly teaches that God is morally perfect and holy, that he hates sin.  Habakkuk 1:13 says that God is too pure to look on evil.  Christians often say that God cannot allow any sin in his presence.

But, this is not the whole story.  There are also several instances in the Bible where Satan and other demons are said to be in God’s presence (e.g., Job 1:6; 2 Chron. 18:18-21; Rev. 12:10).  In addition, the prophet Isaiah, himself a sinful man, was in the presence of God, as recorded  in Isaiah 6.

We also know that God is omnipresent, which means he is present everywhere.  “‘Am I only a God nearby,’ declares the Lord, ‘and not a God far away?  Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?’ declares the Lord.  ‘Do not I fill heaven and earth?’ declares the Lord” (Jer. 23:23-24).  If he is present everywhere then he cannot but be in the presence of sinful creatures.

So what are we to make of all this?  I think the simple answer is that Habakkuk 1:13 is a commentary on God’s moral perfection and holiness.  It is not meant to be a statement about his physical presence.  In fact, the full rendering is, “Your eyes are too pure to look on evil.”  But we know God does not literally have eyes!  God is spirit (John 4:24) and does not have a physical presence.

The Bible teaches that God is opposed to sin and evil, that he is holy and righteous.  We know that eventually he will quarantine evil from good when he creates the New Heaven and Earth (Rev. 21).  At that time, God will physically separate those who love him from those who don’t.  Those who love him will no longer be in the presence of sin from that point forward.

Until then, God tolerates the presence of sin in order to accomplish his purposes with mankind.  Thank goodness, because if God truly could not be in the presence of sin, none of us would be here!

51 thoughts on “Can God Be in the Presence of Sin? – #3 Post of 2010”

  1. Thank you for your interesting comments here. I am in a forum on about what Christians believe about Hell. Posters have suggested that God “cannot” be in the presence of sin, which to me contradicts Scripture, as God was certainly in the garden with Adam and Eve after they sinned, and made clothes for them; and Jesus was in the company of sinners all during his earthly existence, and descended into hell after his crucifixion. — i am trying to find the origin of this theological notion as it is posted by people who believe it is a “given” and it explains the necessity or fact of Hell. It seems to me they are attempting to limit the Infinite Power of God.

  2. Hi Anne,
    The only verse I could find was Habakkuk 1:13, which I mention in the post. Aside from that, I’m not sure where this comes from. My guess is that people are trying to stress the holiness and righteousness of God and they are just going overboard with it. We know that certainly God hates sin and that heaven will be without sin, but that is a far cry from saying that God cannot be in the presence of sin.

    Thanks for dropping by,

  3. Hmm,

    Perhaps I could offer an explanation. In Judaism, the original meaning of “sin” meant “a state of separation from God”. Under this definition, it is self-evident why God cannot be in the presence of sin, since God cannot be separated from Himself. So the Fall was the generation of this state.

    Over time, the word “sin” also came to be used to refer to sinful actions, that is actions which cause, preserve or enhance the state of sin. This meaning eventually eclipsed the original meaning, and thus we get our confusion. In fact, what worsens the confusion is that the first meaning is conflated into the second, so the State of Sin becomes defined as “the state of being in sinful actions”, which leaves the word “sinful” without any conceptual definition at all.

  4. I was just contemplating this very thought of God not being able to look on sin and yet we know He looked at Adam and Eve in the garden after the fall. I read Pastor Chuck Smith’s comment on Hab 1:13 and he says God cannot look on sin…approvingly. When Jesus hung on the cross He not only took all of our iniquity on himself but II Corinthians 5:21 says He actually became sin! So God turned His back and forsook Him so that we would not have to ever face the seperation from God and we could become the righteousness of God…. While this is amazing and awsome, it begs to answer the question. I guess the answer is God cannot look on sin with approval but He obviously does look on sin by having Satan in front of Him and just being omnipresent here on this earth.

  5. Maybe it’s not that God cannot be in the presence of sin but that we cannot live with God without forgiveness of sin. I think of the old testament and Moses not being able to look at God, or when he went up the mountain to get the commandments and God told the people not even to touch the mountain because God was there and He is so holy that they would die if they even touched the mountain, or the priests and the holy of holies and all the steps to cover their sins before they entered the presence of God in the temple. I’m not a theologian but a Christian trying to figure out why it is that I have believed for all these years that God cannot be in the presence of sin when scripture says the opposite. I like Arix’s explanation about A-todora’s reference to II Corinthians 5:21 helps too.

  6. I dissagree with this theology. I think God had His eye on Jesus especially as he hung on the cross. God does not leave us at our moment of greatest pain and He certainly wouldn’t leave His Son. When Jesus said “My God why have you forsaken me?” He was quoting scripture and feeling the FULL brunt of His humanity at that point. Don’t we all feel abandoned by God sometimes? Personally I think telling people God turrned His back on Jesus on the cross only makes us feel like we can’t trust Him and that is simply just a LIE!

  7. The bible is filled with contradictions ..Christians always try to explain away bible contradiction and always fails miserably…the bible is a lie

  8. Contradiction in the eyes of man does not constitute a lie, it can but it is not proof positive. We join together to attempt at understanding a limitless God with a very limited understanding.

  9. Clearly you do not understand who the God of the Old Testament was.
    In the beginning God said Let’s Make Man in OUR Image. OUR – meaning Jesus Christ, whom we read in John was the WORD. He was also the one in the cloud above the children of Israel in the desert. He was Melchizedek. The Bible states in John 1:18 > “No one has ever seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, (Jesus) who is in the bosom of the Father.” And John 6:46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; (Jesus) He has seen the Father.”
    And John 5:37 “And the Father Himself, who sent Me has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. So, when Adam & Eve walked in the garden with Him, it was Jesus.
    When Abraham, Moses and all the others in the bible saw Him or heard His voice, it was Jesus.So, you see — God the Father has not came near sin, that is why Jesus cried out on the cross, “MY GOD, MY GOD, why have You forsaken Me?” At that moment He felt alone, because for the first time He was not in the presence of God the Father, until He rose from the dead and ascended to Heaven @ the right hand of the Father.
    And as far as in Job when Satan came before the presence of God, that also was Jesus Christ.
    And don’t be deceived and ignorant, God is not invisible.
    Our eyes are limited to what we are able to see.
    Read Numbers 22 – Balaam, the Donkey and the Angel.
    We were made in God’s very image, that means just what it says, in His image and of His likeness. It’s as plain as the nose on your face.
    You can read in Revelation 21 that God the Father will then dwell with His people, His very own family. This is made possible by Jesus Christ who came and put it all in order and showed us the way. By enduring to the end as He Himself did and follow the 10 commandments.
    He said if you want to enter into life – Keep the Commandments!!!
    You need to study more and pray for God to reveal these things to you, as only He can do and if you are teachable maybe He will!
    The bible does not contradict itself.. you just aren’t understanding because you choose to believe a lie!!!
    The Bible is the inspired word of God and should be treated with the up most respect!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. KnowledgeofGod,

    there are a few things you have mistaken here. First of all, the “our” in Gen 1 refers to God the father, son AND holy spirit (maybe you just forgot about the spirit of God). We do not know that Jesus was Melchizedek. He could have been an actual king or an angel or Jesus (whose name is really Joshua but translated incorrectly from Jeshua). We really dont know. Also, God is the only one mentioned as scribing the 10 commandments to Moses and referenced as the one who passed by Moses only allowing him to see his glory (or the manifestation of God) from behind, not Jesus.

    Also, God actually is everywhere (omnipresent) and therefore is where sin is. Also, if he in infinite and omnipresent he cannot by definition be physical in nature otherwise he would cease to be limitless because everything with physical properties is finitely bound by those properties. God is spirit only and has no physicality nor parts. Again, because parts are finite and can be counted God cannot be comprised of them because he is infinite.

    Where in the bible does it say that we were made in the physical likeness of God? It doesn’t. Likeness most likely means we were formed to represent the non-eternal and non-infinite attributes of God. We have the same abily to reason, to love, to have anger, etc. Do you really believe that God needs arms, legs, hair, eyes, teeth, etc? Again, these are physical things that are finite in existence and can be counted. God is neither of these.

  11. Wow, that’s some messed up theology, “quarantine evil from good”.

    Pray tell, who tempted Lucifer before he fell? Free choice!

  12. I have heard a lot of pastors say that the 144000 talked about in the Book of Revelaiton are tribulation period evengelists.

    Below is all the information there is about the 144000 that there is. That
    they are evangelists is a fairly recent tradition that is taught in some
    churches but it is pure speculation as the Bible doesn’t say what their
    function is.

    1After these things I saw four angels standing
    at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the
    wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then
    I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God.
    And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm
    the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or
    the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
    4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred
    and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel
    were sealed:
    5 of the tribe of Judah
    twelve thousand were sealed;
    of the tribe of
    Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
    of the
    tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
    6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were
    of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand
    were sealed;
    of the tribe of Manasseh twelve
    thousand were sealed;
    7 of the
    tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
    of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were
    of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand
    were sealed;
    8 of the tribe of
    Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
    of the
    tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
    of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were
    Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one
    hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on
    their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of
    many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of
    harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song
    before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one
    could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were
    redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled
    with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb
    wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being
    firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no
    deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

  13. Amen! It was always the Word Of God, even Lord Jesus himself who reached out (In communication) and manifested himself in the many ways he did to fallen mankind.
    We also know that during The Lord’s ministry on earth he stated that ” John 14:11, Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.” It was by way of the Lord being conceive by (Of) God the Holy Spirit that the Lord identified his oneness with God “THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!”
    And even though God was reconciling the world to Himself through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and made manifest of his voice upon the Lord being baptized by John the baptist (Matt. 3:17), and upon the Mount of transfiguration (Luke 9:27-36) it was still God’s voice! In God’s eyes both times was his sinless Son Lord Jesus.
    At no time have God ever not been separated from sin!

  14. Genesis 1:26 – “image…likeness” – This refers to God’s outward form, NOT His attributes (Col. 1:15; Hebrews 1:3; Rev. 3:14; cp. Proverbs 8:22-31 and 1 Corinthians 11:4-11). This is also seen in the fact that He was in HUMAN form when He made the redemption as well (John 1:14; also cp. Revelation 4:11 with 5:9). His form is that of man, seen both in the creation and the redemption.

    The image and likeness is PHYSICAL, not moral. Man fell and is a moral ruin, but some physical likeness to God still remains (Cp. Genesis 9:6; 1 Corinthians 11:7; James 3:9. There is no indication that that similitude was ever lost (Genesis 5:3).

    God DOES have literal eyes. We were made in His image, and man was made physical BEFORE the fall of man. Yes, God is Spirit, but spirits have PHYSICAL FORMS. Angels are spirits as well, yet they have bodies of their own!

  15. As we know God is everywhere in the universe and even on earth. The only place that could not locate God is sin. Jesus is God and the Son of God. If God could be located in sin, non-Christians need not to receive Jesus to be their Saviour since Jesus as God should have filled the whole earth and even among themselves. The only thing that makes Him differently is that He refuses to be filled inside non-Christians’ bodies and turns up that non-Christians do not have God to be in them. As God is omnipotent, He has the supernatural power to make Him not to be present inside non-Christians’ bodies and this causes God to be outside their bodies instead of inside.
    In the Bible, we know that God did liaise with Satan. When God was speaking with Satan in the past, He was not inside Satan’s body but outside since He has supernatural power to make Himself not to be inside its body despite He is everywhere and the entire universe could not contain Him.

  16. Let me offer you a distinction, you can accept or reject it. One of the proofs of scripture is that because all scripture is God breathed (I’ll let the reader look up the scripture…because the rest of this verse is actually God’s statement regarding the sufficiency of scripture…), and God is perfect, therefore as an ELEMENTARY principle scripture could never contradict scripture.

    So to my fellow believers, who often see or stumble upon contradiction, in the bible in the same way the unbelieving commentor Powerprince33 does, is an indication, not that there is a contradiction, because there are absolutely NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible at all, but rather the seeming contradiction is a really good indication that you have been taught or garnered your own misinterpreted on one or both sides of the apparent contradiction.

    Let me give an example of one such “apparent contradicition” and be aware, both baby christians and unbelievers try to use this ERROR against other mature christians in these modern times.

    Matthew 7:1-2

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

    Now most of you reading this will think yes we are not to determine and point out error in peoples lives, and we are not to put people into good and evil categories…so it is not uncommon when a cursing foul mouthed God hater, gets rebuked by a believer for the God hater to mock God and say “How Christian of you…judging me.” It typically isnt long before a very immatture believer comes along and sides with the God Hater, a wicked sin in itself.

    So what is the error the unbeliever and the baby christian make in their interpretation? Its fundamental. Biblically judging is not discerning. Meaning that biblically judging is a much more comprehensive meaning…and the example I will give that should flip the switch for even the most baby of Christians is Judgement day. What happens at Judgement Day. Well that is when God Judges the people…what is he doing when he Judges the people? He isnt establishing guilt or innocence, as all are Guilty. What he is doing is metting out the punishment, serving up his revenge for life of mocking God, and rejectring His creatorship (Lordship). Today we a Judge still issues the penalty, but today a Judge may or may not determine Guilt…so when we err in this verse it is because we are using our modern understanding of the term Judge and not the biblical term. Biblically, when God Judges someone, or a a nation, he is issuing his punsihment, he is exacting His revenge. And God says Do not take REVENGE, REVENGE IS MINE.

    So now Im speaking to the Baby Christian specifically; this will be a common error you will make as you begin your sanctification journey (spiritual growth). Do not get disheartened, it is normal, and it wont be long until you realize, that even after 30 years and even 50 years as a believer, you still have a lot of learning and re-learning to do.. God is patient, and Christs blood does NOT fail.

    OK so where is there a contradiction in this verse to say another…well look down a few verses to John 7:6, If you held to your contemporary, non-biblical definition of Judging, this verse would make no sense:

    John 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”

    If you did not judge (using the contemporary meaning of the word)or discern is closer to how we use it today, if we did not evaluate people, how could we ever establish who the dogs and pigs are? It could not be done..and therefore because of your improper use and definition of the biblical term Judge, you would have created an “apparent contradiction” where NONE EXISTS, and you would have done that by HUMAN ERROR,

    Suffice it to say, every single “apparent contradiction” should be a red flag to yoiu, that somewhere in YOUR UNDERSTANDING you have made an interpretation error. Once you recognize this, it becomes very easy to determine for yourself where you inserted the error through Bible Reference tools and resources. By the way, the one I pointed out above all you need is the Bible to verify Im correct…just do a word search of “Judge, judgement, etc” in the Bible using a concordance…look how it is used…it speaks for itself.

    So Powerprince , thank you for allowing me this teachable moment…I do pray that in the two years since you wrote this comment, you have found the truth of God and Jesus, and maybe even I may be now speaking to you as a “baby Christian” starting the sanctification journey.

    If not, do take a minute to consider what happens to you if you are wrong in your thinking and lack of belief about God and Jesus. Have you ever been wrong before?

  17. Melchizedek is Jesus Christ. (Hebrews 7:1-2). This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and
    Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek
    means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of
    Those attributes belongs to more than a king, more than a priest

  18. you all are great!!!! I love it , such passion .I recall a Christ Wayne Monbleau once said, ( interpreted ) in a talk “when you take a meal, of say chicken, you eat the meat and spit out the bones. which reminds me of Isaiah 55:11 (AMP) So shall My word be that goes forth out of My mouth: it shall not return to Me void [without producing any effect, useless], but it shall accomplish that which I please and purpose, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
    I started this morning looking for a quote to put in my sons yearbook that wouldnt be too extreme for public school ….starting with Daniel 12:3 (AMP) And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) [shall give forth light] like the stars forever and ever. our writing and insights priceless .Pray for us!

  19. Of course you have observable, testable, peer-reviewable evidence to account for ALL of these claims, right?

  20. Those passages of Scripture you are using are not suggesting that men were actually in the presence of God (to see face to face). I hope you don’t believe that.

    “And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, neither whatsoever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” (Rev. 21:27)

    John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”

    1 Timothy 6:16
    who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

    “1God, who at many times and in various manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.” (Hebrews 1:1-2) God used the means to communicate to man (burning bush, writing on a wall, vision, cloud . . .) No man can claim to have been in the actual presence of God (face to face). Therefore, in true form God cannot be in the presence of sin for where He dwell no unclean thing can enter in.

    Judges 6:2 “I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face!”
    Some times the Scriptures many say God face to when actual it was an image of God or a representative of God.

  21. Habakkuk is not a revealing of God’s divine nature, rather a description of God from the eyes and perception of Habakkuk himself. That said, we’ve seen in Scripture where God turns His face even from the children of Israel to leave them to their devices, especially when they turn their ways from God and his righteousness and seek after their own righteousness. When they sink so deep into sin, God will turn his face from them. I imagine it is because man turned from Him first. God is a jealous God (rightfully so), but he is also a long suffering and just God. He will allow his people to walk the path they chose, even if it means a severing of fellowship.
    That said, we need to remember when speaking of Satan, he is also a spirit. While he tempts and has evil intentions, he is not sinful himself because he does not have a fleshly sinful nature.
    James 1:14-15 tells us where sin originates from. Temptation alone is not sin, but it occurs when one is drawn away of their own lusts and enticed. Lust of what? the flesh, not necessarily sexually by nature, but certainly temporary enjoyment in the flesh. 1 Corinthians 15:50 tells us no flesh or blood will inherit the kingdom of God. Perhaps what Habakkuk was eluding to was that since God is in Heaven, he will not be in the presence of flesh and blood because no flesh or blood will inherit his abode.
    Just some points to ponder.



    Question: “What does it mean that God is holy, holy, holy?”

    Answer: The phrase “holy, holy, holy” appears twice in the Bible, once in the Old Testament (Isaiah 6:3) and once in the New (Revelation 4:8). Both times, the phrase is spoken or sung by heavenly creatures, and both times it occurs in the vision of a man who was transported to the throne of God: first by the prophet Isaiah and then by the apostle John. Before addressing the three-fold repetition of God’s holiness, it’s important to understand what exactly is meant by God’s holiness.

    The holiness of God is the most difficult of all God’s attributes to explain, partly because it is one of His essential attributes that is not shared, inherently, by man. We are created in God’s image, and we can share many of His attributes, to a much lesser extent, of course—love, mercy, faithfulness, etc. But some of God’s attributes, such as omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence, will never be shared by created beings. Similarly, holiness is not something that we will possess as an inherent part of our nature; we only become holy in relationship to Christ. It is an imputed holiness. Only in Christ do we “become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). God’s holiness is what separates Him from all other beings, what makes Him separate and distinct from everything else. God’s holiness is more than just His perfection or sinless purity; it is the essence of His “other-ness,” His transcendence. God’s holiness embodies the mystery of His awesomeness and causes us to gaze in wonder at Him as we begin to comprehend just a little of His majesty.

    Isaiah was a firsthand witness of God’s holiness in his vision described in Isaiah 6. Even though Isaiah was a prophet of God and a righteous man, his reaction to the vision of God’s holiness was to be aware of his own sinfulness and to despair for his life (Isaiah 6:5). Even the angels in God’s presence, those who were crying, “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty,” covered their faces and feet with four of their six wings. Covering the face and feet no doubt denotes the reverence and awe inspired by the immediate presence of God (Exodus 3:4–5). The seraphim stood covered, as if concealing themselves as much as possible, in recognition of their unworthiness in the presence of the Holy One. And if the pure and holy seraphim exhibit such reverence in the presence of the Lord, with what profound awe should we, polluted and sinful creatures, presume to draw near to Him! The reverence shown to God by the angels should remind us of our own presumption when we rush thoughtlessly and irreverently into His presence, as we often do because we do not understand His holiness.

    John’s vision of the throne of God in Revelation 4 was similar to that of Isaiah. Again, there were living creatures around the throne crying, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty” (Revelation 4:8) in reverence and awe of the Holy One. John goes on to describe these creatures giving glory and honor and reverence to God continually around His throne. Interestingly, John’s reaction to the vision of God in His throne is different from Isaiah’s. There is no record of John falling down in terror and awareness of his own sinful state, perhaps because John had already encountered the risen Christ at the beginning of his vision (Revelation 1:17). Christ had placed His hand upon John and told him not to be afraid. In the same way, we can approach the throne of grace if we have the hand of Christ upon us in the form of His righteousness, exchanged for our sin at the cross (2 Corinthians 5:21).

    But why the three-fold repetition “holy, holy, holy” (called the trihagion)? The repetition of a name or an expression three times was quite common among the Jews. In Jeremiah 7:4, the Jews are represented by the prophet as saying, “The temple of the Lord” three times, expressing their intense confidence in their own worship, even though it was hypocritical and corrupt. Jeremiah 22:29, Ezekiel 21:27, and 2 Samuel 18:33 contain similar three-fold expressions of intensity. Therefore, when the angels around the throne call or cry to one another, “Holy, holy, holy,” they are expressing with force and passion the truth of the supreme holiness of God, that essential characteristic which expresses His awesome and majestic nature.

    In addition, the trihagion expresses the triune nature of God, the three Persons of the Godhead, each equal in holiness and majesty. Jesus Christ is the Holy One who would not “see decay” in the grave, but would be resurrected to be exalted at the right hand of God (Acts 2:26; 13:33-35). Jesus is the “Holy and Righteous One” (Acts 3:14) whose death on the cross allows us to stand before the throne of our holy God unashamed. The third Person of the trinity—the Holy Spirit—by His very name denotes the importance of holiness in the essence of the Godhead.

    Finally, the two visions of the angels around the throne crying, “Holy, holy, holy,” clearly indicates that God is the same in both testaments. Often we think of the God of the Old Testament as a God of wrath and the God of the New Testament as a God of love. But Isaiah and John present a unified picture of our holy, majestic, awesome God who does not change (Malachi 3:6), who is the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:8), and “with whom is no variableness nor shadow of turning” (James 1:17). God’s holiness is eternal, just as He is eternal.

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  23. “God tolerates the presence of sin in order to accomplish his purposes with mankind.”

    Exactly what would happen if there were no god at all, and our apprehension of “purpose” is mere apophenia.

  24. Which part is a lie?

    That the bible states that King Nebuchadnezzar was the first king to destroy the temple in Jerusalem and to overthrow the kingdom of Judah, in 587 BC?

    Or…maybe where the bible states that Sergius Paulus was proconsul of Cyprus (Acts 13:4–7), when Paul visited the island around 46–48 AD, or that Lysanias was tetrarch of Abila around 28 AD, according to Luke (3:1). Note* Because the acient roman hisotrian Josephus in his writings only mentions a Lysanias of Abila who was executed in 36 BCE, some scholars have considered this an error by Luke. However, one inscription from Abila, which is tentatively dated 14–29 AD, appears to record the existence of a later tetrarch called Lysanias.

    Or that Augustus Caesar was the big cheese during the time frame outlined in the New Testament, or that Pontius Pilate was prefect of Judea when Jesus was executed just the gospels state, or Quirinius was the Governor of Syria during the time it is claimed Jesus was born, and was the reason for the flight to Bethlehem for the census…These are just a minute list of the ACTUAL VERIFIABLE HISTORICAL people that have been part of the biblical story, and have been verified OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE.

    Which part are outright lies?

  25. Wow! I felt led this morning to type in a search for “God can not be in the presence of sin”. This article and the discussions/comments that follow have been very informative. I probably have more questions now than answers but I feel as if I have more understanding than before reading this. Thanks to all!

  26. No, Jesus is GOD but he is his OWN….The Holy Spirit is also a creation of GOD. They are all GOD, as we ALL have GOD in us.

    But the FATHER chooses NOT to be around sin….He hates it…Not that he CANNOT. GOD CAN DO W/E he wants..Except, take free will away. Since that is against what he is. If he did that, the Angels in Heaven would fear him..And he doesn’t want that..He wants family and friends…..That’s it..

    Perfect in Judgement, Justice, Holiness and Love.

    So he made, Jesus, to teach us how to walk, preach and what we can become if we followed him. Not become GODS but know HIS PATH is best and to walk it and not fall off that cliff on Satan’s path…

    And he made a form of himself called the Holy Spirit which is the GUARD to sin…Without the Guard, you cannot see Jesus and without Jesus you cannot enter Heaven.

    First it was damage control. Then it was Noah’s cries to him that set this path we are on. So instead, GOD changed up his plan, let us live, multiply until his return. But he knew what was ahead…So he gave us a guide, 4 guides in fact.

    His word,
    Holy Spirit.
    Ourselves. : )

    Talk to him, you’ll find the truth.

    God breathed his life into us…Meaning we are all connected to GOD already. Just not listening..Carnal mind, takeover…Satan.

    Morality, love, righteousness is already ours from birth.

    Quiet your carnal mind and you’ll hear and see GOD. And everything becomes clear. He is perfect and loving and my fav, FORGIVENESS. It’s powerful…Forgive all…Releases the hate, sets you free from the bonds of Satan.’

    Love you. 🙂

  27. Interesting article. The Habakkuk verse is an excellent example.
    However, the Job 1:6 verse is misappropriated. Demons are never called ‘sons of God’. In the scene ‘presented themselves before the Lord’ is an earthly phrase that is seen also in Exodus 34:23, Deut. 16:16, and Joshua 24:1 “Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God.”

    The 2 Chronicles 18:18-21 is reading something into the text that is not there (Eisegesis).

    Rev. 12:10 uses symbolism to describe a succession of events over the period of history that will continue again in the end times, the Dark forces (satan & his demons) attempting to thwart the Messianic line through Israel from saving the world. The ‘throwing down’ is a series of events starting back in Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28.

    There is Not 1 verse in the entire Bible that explicitly states Satan can still enter the 3rd heaven as Paul mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12 and appear before the Throne of God. The body of the work of the Bible describes he has been banished from his ‘place, his former estate’ as mentioned in Jude 1:6.


  28. Right, very good observations. The man in this artical did not take such scripture in consideration. He also said; “….we know God does not literally have eyes! God is spirit…”. Yet, spirits have eyes, other wise how could he see? If no man has looked into the face of God, then all we have is scripture telling us what he “looks like”. Here is a clue, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..” Genesis 1:26.

  29. Pretty good word, but not exactly right. May I explain! First, your saying, ” we ALL have GOD in us.” isnt quite right, as “all have sinned” Romans 3:23. Thus, we are not, as you say, “all connected to GOD already”. John specifically noted in 1 John 3:10 such an opposite view. As there are “Children of God” and there are “children of the devil” , as the manifest (observable) difference is in their behavior! See, any one, “whosoever”, that believes in Him, the one God sent to Judge the world, will be saved, but those who do not will be damned, Mark 16:16 and John 3:36. No, God has (past tense) forgiven the whole world 1 John 2:2, through His Son, but in order one to “procure” (receive) this gift, one must believe! “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” John 1:12. Thanks

  30. Sin separates and builds barriers between us and God! ” Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.” Isaiah 59:1,2. Thankful it holds both a warning and a promise!!!!! Jesus felt this, this turning of Gods face from him. Thanks

  31. Sorry, you misunderstood me. It’s okay brother. I didn’t word it right. I’m literally saying, everyone is alive because of his breath and we are of him, because he said so. We just disconnected as we grew older and our eyes seen the Devils plan instead of his own.

  32. Morality, love, righteousness is not already ours from
    birth. As we have the nature of Adam. Adam sinned, therefore bringing this “sin nature” upon all mankind. “For as in Adam all
    die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” 1 Corinthians
    15:22. This “death” came through birth, but this “alive” comes through rebirth.
    Forgiveness is powerful, true, but in order for this forgiveness to be
    procured, one must repent and believe, as I shared above. No, everyone is alive, physically, but not spiritually. Big difference.
    The only one who can “free” you from bonds of satan is Jesus Christ, through faith. See Romans 6.

  33. Good, but actually it is not sin that keeps one from God, it is unbelief. 1 John 2:2 tells us that all our sins are forgiven, it is only the ones not believing this, that brings Gods wrath John 3:36. As unbelief is calling God a liar (1 John 5:10), as “…he that believes not God has made him a liar; because he believes not the record that God gave of his Son.” His son died for the sins of the world.

  34. No, it is ours from BIRTH. Like I already said, the SIN being BORN into SIN is what DISCONNECTS us from GOD.

  35. Then why did Jesus say we must be born again (John 3:3,7)? Because we were born the first time with a sin nature, and only through being “born again” can we receive and participate in the “divine nature” Peter spoke about in 2 Peter 1:4. Thus receiving a new nature by having escaped the corruption that is in our original sin nature, by being born again through faith in Christ. Just encourage you to get with a church that teaches these Christian doctrines. Thanks

  36. You have misinterpreted what I’m saying. What you’ve just said, has nothing to do with what I’m saying. That’s twice now.

  37. So, you say, “Morality, love, righteousness is already ours from birth.” Yet the bible say’s, “there is none righteous” Romans 3:10. If I have misinterpreted what you are saying, then explain! How can righteousness be ours from birth, if none are righteous?

  38. I agree with welafalot. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22: feeling the anquish of suffering. Verse 24 tells us he did not hide his face from him but when he cried unto him he heard.

  39. This is AFTER the fact my brother. You are misinterpreting what I’m saying. Everyone is PERFECT from birth because they are NOT disconnected from GOD. They are only disconnected when their eyes are open and they grow older in the world of SIN that Satan has created.

  40. I see your point! True, all children (before the age of accountability) are ushered in to the presents of God. We know this from what Jesus said; “Suffer (allow) the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:14.
    But, it is back to what you said; “as we ALL have GOD in us.”
    If that is the case then, after the age of accountability (it very’s with every child, God only knows), then such child lose’s “God in us” status by then walking in satans path. Ok, but what cause’s such a walk in Satans path? It is sin that dwells in us! That is what the word say’s Romans 7:19-23, as it is sin that dwells in our members (body)! This is why Paul cried out ; ”…who shall deliver me”, verse 24.
    Well, it is Christ who will do it through his blood that was shedd for the remission (getting rid of) of sin, as he only can deliver us
    from the sin that came there, to abode in our members (body, flesh) from birth, from Adams transgression. For “in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive” 1 Corinthians 15:22. So, when it say’s, “in Adam all die”, its saying, in effect, all have sinned (Romans 3:23), thus all have died! There is no getting away with this death sentence, except, of course, dying as a child, and this is no answer, as what parent wants that? No, Christ came that we “might have life, and that more abundantly”, John 10:10.

    So, sure, children are saved, but only through what Christ
    said; “for of such is the Kingdom of God”, but all others are either a Child of God (through belief in Christ), or a child of the devil (through not believing in Christ) see 1 John 3:10 and John 3:36. As, no, everyone is not PERFECT from birth. Thanks

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