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Did the Early Church Believe in a Literal Thousand-Year Reign of Christ on Earth? – #10 Post of 2010

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revelation churches Did the Early Church Believe in a Literal Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth? – #10 Post of 2010The Book of Revelation, according to some Christians, teaches a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on earth after his second coming (see Rev. 20).  This will then be followed by the creation of a new heaven and new earth. This view is known today as premillenialism.

But there are other Christians, in fact, the majority, who interpret the thousand years in Rev. 20 as a spiritual reign of the church which started at Christ’s first coming and ends at his second coming.  This view is known today as amillenialism.

The proponents of both of these views have an array of arguments to support their positions, but what was the view of the early church?

It seems that up until the third century, the early church was primarily premillenialist.  Writers like Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and Tertullian all thought the second advent of Christ was imminent and that he would inaugurate his thousand-year reign on earth.

The tide, however, started to turn with the writings of Origen in the early third century, who adopted an allegorical method of interpreting Revelation.  Origen believed that the thousand years represented a spiritual reign of the church.  His disciple, Dionysius of Alexandria, continued the attack against premillenialism and turned the eastern church away from it.

In the western church, Augustine, in the late fourth century, began to teach amillenialism, siding with the Alexandrians in the east.  His views of eschatology (the end times) were detailed in his most famous work, The City of God.

From the time of Augustine until the Reformation in the sixteenth century (~1,100 years), amillenialism was the dominant view in the church.

The story obviously doesn’t end there, but you now have a brief introduction of what happened in the first fifteen hundred years of Christianity with respect to the millennium scribed in Rev. 20.

What about you?  Which view do you think is more likely correct?  Do you think there will be a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on earth (i.e., premillenialism) or do you think the thousand years mentioned in Rev. 20 is a spiritual reign of the church which ends at Christ’s second coming (i.e., amillenialism)?


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  • Charles

    I’m not sure about this, but Augustine did also believe in a literal 7,000 year history of the earth. So, even though he did believe in a spiritual millennium upon the earth between the two advents of Christ, I think he still believed that the millennium was a literal 1000 years.

  • DiscipleoftheWord

    The question ought to be “How do you feel about over allegorizing and over spiritualizing text”.

  • Charles

    Again, I’m not sure about this, but Augustine, along with many in his era, including many Jews believed that the six LITERAL days of creation played out into 1000 LITERAL years. They based it upon Psalm 90:4 (and Christians added 2Pet 3:8). Augustine believed that the Resurrection brought forth the Great Sabbath, the great 7th day, and it was also to last a LITERAL 1000 years. So I don’t see this as allegory, but an attempt at scriptural interpretation.

    Of course, it played out into a great Y1K crisis in Europe when people died of fright thinking that the world would end at the stroke of midnight on Dec 31, 999 (according to the calendar of the day).

    So, it would have been after the year 1000 that the church interpreters would change Augustine’s idea of a literal 1000 years into a symbolic 1000 years. I would not even call this allegory, for Revelation 20 is loaded with symbols. A correct hermeneutic would be to interpret the symbols as intended by John . . . I would think.

  • DiscipleoftheWord

    “If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense.”

    The early church even until the reformers held to many fantastic allegories of plain text.
    Most times out of embarrassment over anthropomorphisms which they felt were absurd or contained alleged immoralities in the Bible.

    There are not different rules of grammar or exegesis for apocalyptic literature.
    Normal rules of grammar and syntax still apply.
    There is no difference between Gabriel appearing to Mary (which we take literally) and an angel appearing to John or Daniel.
    It is wrong to abandon the plain sense of the text to escape a difficulty in one’s theology. That’s subjective and makes the interpreter the authority over the text.
    The above rule, of taking the text at face value unless there is a good reason within the context to do otherwise, is objective and forces the interpreter to submit to the text.

    I’m curious…why do think John intended us to understand everything symbolically?

  • Charles

    No, obviously the chain in Rev 20 that binds the dragon is intended as literal :) I think it was gold, or possibly titanium.

    Now, let’s get serious. It is not John who intended the symbols to be literal. Read the text. Read Revelation 1:1, in the Greek if you know it.

    Revelation 1:1 LITERALLY says that John received this Revelation of Jesus Christ by “SIGNS” that were given to “his angel” unto His servant John.

    You can produce all the pithy hermeneutical diddles that you want, but I will interpret Scripture by Scripture. Revelation 1:1 tells us that the Revelation of Jesus Christ was given in Symbols. So, to interpret a symbol incorrectly, even if it seems to have a plain meaning, is to error. Hey, it’s a tough job interpreting Scripture. I wish that it was as easy as you claim. And I don’t think it’s letting theology wag the dog here. It’s being serious about the text.

    Actually a very LITERAL interpretation of Revelation 1 would interpret samaino as Symbols and deiknuo as “to show to the eyes” as “vision” or even “metaphor.”

    Have a blessed Lord’s day tomorrow, for I’m sure that we both take that literally. And the devil is a roaring lion seeking to devour us both. I take that symbolically, but I think I get the message as intended.

  • DiscipleoftheWord

    No one is denying that Revelation is rich with symbols and metaphors.

    The restriction you have referred to has caused the Apocalypse to be looked at as a book of signs and symbols which no one can understand.
    The fact is that about half the symbols (14) are definitely explained (though these explanations are often again taken by expositors as also being symbolic) Being Divinely explained, they serve as a key to those which are unexplained.
    The, “Lampstands” are explained for us as representing assemblies; “Stars,” angels of the assemblies; “Torches,” spirits; “Horns” and “Eyes,” spirits; “Incense odours,” prayers of saints; “Dragon,” Satan; “Frogs,” unclean spirits; “Wild Beast,” a king, “Heads” of the Wild Beast, mountains and kings; “Horns,” kings; “Waters,” peoples; “Woman,” a city; “Fine linen,” righteous awards; “City of God,” Bride of the Lamb.

    The “keys” and “chain” are clearly metaphors. The key is meant to indicate authority over Satan. The chain is meant to indicate total restriction from his former activities. These things are obvious. However, the amillennialists’ appealing to metaphors, like key, chain to justify the non-literal understanding of the “thousand years,” is a fallacy.
    How can the use of an obvious metaphor imply that other things that could easily be literal must also be metaphors?
    This is not a logical argument.

  • Charles

    You claim that the argument is not logical?
    Major Premise: The book of Revelation is given in symbols
    Minor Premise: Many symbols in Revelation are interpreted by the book. Many are not.
    Minor Premise: Large Round Numbers in Revelation can be symbolic of greater realities and are based on mathematical constructions.
    Corollary Premise: Keys of the Abyss is a Symbol
    Conclusion: The Thousand Years MAY BE Symbolic

    You see, I am not stating that the 1000 Years Are absolutely literal or symbolic.
    It is logical. It is an inductive argument. Inductive arguments, unlike deductive arguments (the one you offer) are based on observation and probability. However, I have shown that the argument is valid. The question is whether it is strong, or cogent. I do believe it is strong, but will not go into it. Is it cogent? No, I don’t think that anyone alive has given a cogent argument to Revelation 20, and that includes you.

    It seems that some humility is needed here. Any study in church history shows a wide variety of interpretation in this event. From Irenaeus, Origin, Augustine, Irvine, Scofield, etc. We are all doing what we are asked to do, and that is to interpret the Word with study, humility, and in love for God and man.

    This is the thing in Revelation that is OBVIOUS to me. The world ends three times. There are three final judgments. Revelation 20 follows the same pattern as Revelation 12–14. The Book has established patterns.

    And a note . . . I disagree with you that the chain means a “total” restriction from his former activities. Satan is still a roaring lion, and he can do much of what he did in the OT times. It’s just that the Gospel is not promulgated and Satan can no longer deceive the nations as he once did. But of course, I’m sure you’ll differ.

    I began my Christian pilgrimage as a thorough-going dispensationalist. The first book ever given to me was “New World Coming” by Hal Lindsay. My first pastor was a THD from DTS. However, still loving him and my former teachers, I have come to disagree after decades of study. I see too many contradictions in that particular theology, and I see too many blind adherents to a hermeneutic that is far too modern to be applied to ancient texts.

    Just a humble opinion, and I’m still seeking to learn.

  • DiscipleoftheWord

    If language of the NT has any meaning at all, Satan is not bound at this moment in the sense that amillennial theology teaches.
    1 John 5:19, Eph 6:11-12, 16, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Acts 5:3, 1 Thess. 2:18
    The diverse testimony of Scripture proves that Satan is on the loose and bent on our destruction.
    This is in stark contrast to the situation when Christ returns.
    Satan was not bound and chained up in a pit at the first coming of Christ in any sense whatsoever. Certainly, the victory of Christ was won on the cross, which provides a basis for believer to resist the devil. But it is only when Christ comes back will the prowling devil be confined in a sealed pit.

  • Charles

    Dear Christian,
    “If the language of the NT has any meaning at all?! Do you really need to go to such hyperbole here?

    I could respond with many verses, but no need.
    Jesus Christ preached for 3.5 years. 120 converts noted.
    After the Resurrection, Peter preaches 2 sermons. 5,000 conversions noted.

    And you’re trying to tell us that Satan is not bound as he was before?

    The Strong Man has been bound, not to torment, not to kill, but he can no longer deceive the nations any more. He is being plundered because he is bound. The Gospel will penetrate the darkest places in the world, even if you and I have to die in our attempts.

    Peace!

  • DiscipleoftheWord

    Charles says: And you’re trying to tell us that Satan is not bound as he was before?

    I’m trying to tell you this, I am telling you this.

    How is it that after 1900 years of proclamation, the Gospel has yet to win even a majority of those who have heard it? How is it that in contrast to the Christian faith with its Spiritual power the heathen religions such as Mohammedanism are actually gaining converts more rapidly than Christianity? How is it that apostasy has overtrun the church to-day? There is only one answer, and that is that Satan is working, deceiving, hindering, blinding, devouring. If so, then Satan is not bound, nor is he shut up where he cannot deceive the nations. If Satan is not bound, then the millennium is yet future and our hope is for the coming of the Lord.

    Peace to you as well.

  • Ariel

    There are those who say, “The only place a ‘thousand years’ is mentioned in the Bible, is in Revelation 20.” Therefore, any argument having to do with the Millennium is based upon Revelation 20. But, the Millennium is not contingent upon Rev. 20 (Rev. 20 gives only the duration of the Messianic Kingdom), but on the unconditional covenantal promises of the O.T.

  • Charles

    Hi Ariel,
    This is a topic that does interest me. I read your post but can’t decipher it. Can you clarify? First, you state that Revelation 20 is the duration of the Messianic Kingdom. Some, including myself, consider this kingdom eternal, already here (but not in its fullness) and awaiting a great transformation. And I can agree with you that the Millennium is not contingent upon Rev 20 but upon the OT covenantal promises. But so is our present age and Revelation 21–22. So, can you be more specific?

  • Joseph

    Rev 20 does not say that Christ would reign upon the earth for 1000 years. The text also does not denote a literal 1000 years (Chilia), but Millennium’s (Chilias). Peter’s use of the word is singular, while John’s use of the work (Chilias) is plural. Now about Christ and the Millennium’s, the text specifically states that the Martyrs reign with Christ for the Millennium’s; not the other way around. We know from scripture that the reign of the Messiah is eternal, and not limited to a set amount of time (decades, centuries, years, etc.) Thus, the Pre-Mil view is false for two solid reasons; there’s no such thing as a Millennial reign of Christ, and it’s Martyrs who reign with Christ, and perhaps (speculation here) afterwards, they return to paradise once the Church has been established. Therefore, I believe the A-Mil position to be more correct, although not 100%. What I do believe, without a doubt, is that the Church is the Kingdom through which Christ reigns, and the Martyrs were Christian Jews of the first century who were Martyred for their faith in Christ. For it was the who were promised to be kings and priests, and that is what they were. The Gentiles were grafted into the kingdom because of their testimony of Jesus, and of their faith in Jesus.

  • http://www.toughquestionsanswered.org Darrell

    The Eastern Church holds the position that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed settled this matter and declared millennialism a heresy. They teach that the phrase “Whose Kingdom shall have no end” was inserted into the Creed to specifically refute the teaching that Christ would reign for 1000 years upon His second coming.

    Darrell

  • Bill Pratt

    Darrell,
    That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.

  • DT

    Is this topic still active? Or did everyone finally realize the 1000 years are literal and future?

  • Debicathotel

    This is very true.
    Read the Rise and Fall of Papal Power by Rev. Robt.Fleming
    1600′s. It is an excellent work and ansers many questions.

  • Amie_rb

    Why then did the Lord Jesus teach the disciples to pray
    “Thy Kingdom come” if the kingdom was already here.

  • DonS

    Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly but if amillenialism is correct didn’t the thousand year reign end in 1,000 A.D.? That was a thousand years ago …

  • Jim Ryan

    My answer is “Neither!”. Doesn’t make any sense, for Jesus to just temporarily “disable” the evil forces just for 1000 years, and then to destroy them completely. If the whole scenario is to be believed, the millennium has no place in it, it’s just out of place. That is one of the things that prove that this cannot be the Word of God. Too much nonsense. Sorry…

  • Colin

    I find it strange Christ would return for 1000years to reinstitute temple law and sacrifice which Hebrews tells us it tantamount to trampling the blood of Christ.

  • DeWayne

    Both Greek words xi/lioi-Chilioi and xi/lias-Chilias have plural attribute. Chilioi is an adjective, Chilias is a noun, although commonly taught that Chilioi is the plural of Chliias.
    It is a quantifier preceeding these two words that designated ‘one thousands’ or ‘two thousands’, and so forth. You will find Rev 20:1-7 and 2 Pe 3:8 are only eight places where there is no quantifier either in additional or extended word, in these cases being an undefined number of thousands, are then more than one thousand.
    Example of xi/lias-Chilias used in correct plural form is Rev 5:11, for ‘thousands and thousands of angels’. Were Chilias not plural in context, adding to this word would not alter original context.
    If Isaiah 14:12-15 is read as the only fall of Satan from heaven, and Paul in 2 Thess 2:5-7 assures Satan is then being restrained until time to be revealed, then Rev chapter-20 is clearly understood as saints (in spiritual realm) regning with Christ until the end of this earth age, happening a short time after Satan released from the abyss. Being part of the first resurrection understood being the upright and righteous and saints as promised, those that must wait being the unredeemed that Satan gathers in end of days as the army to be defeated.

  • DeWayne

    Yes, this ‘Millennium’ teaching is the result of St Jerome (382AD) translating the original Greek ‘Chilioi’ into the Latin Vulgate bible as a fixed Mille or thousand. This orig-Chilioi according to most scholar and theologian was substituted later with the word Chilias, as both have a plural atribute, it is inconsequential, being an undefined ‘thousands’, renders as more than one thousand. In this context explains this earth age until the ending in final judgment.

  • DeWayne

    Christ also taught, John 14:2-4 “In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”
    The Kingdom (within you) is the Holy Spirit, it is not the natural world of flesh you can observe today, and the saint dead to flesh (today) is alive in HS reigning with Christ for the remainder of this earth age… and for eternity in the New Heaven, New Earth, and New Jerusalem ‘creations’… see Isa 65:17-19.

  • DeWayne

    Joseph
    I don’t know why so many miss the full message of Rev 20:4-7.
    It begins telling of “I saw” the first group on thrones judging (regarding these, remember 1 Cor 6:2 “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?”
    Next it describes”I saw” the souls of martyr beheaded for their testimony for Jesus.
    Next it says “They” (meaning both of above) had not worshiped the beast.
    Last “They came to life” and reigned with Christ a Thousand(s) years (Greek word is plural).
    The ‘upright and righteous’ of Old Covenant promised resurrection were the first of (all) saints according to Christ and New Covenant that will (have a part) and reign with Christ now (remained of this earth age), and forever… amen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    The grammical expression of Chilioi (plural thousands) in English, would be that the saints (having a part in the first resurrection and the second death having no power over them) will reign with Christ a ‘Thousands (of) Years’, being an undefined numeric of thousand’s would rule out a single thousand years. The NT is quite clear that the church/saints will reign with Christ until the end of this eart age (in the spiritual Kingdom within), and in the new heaven and earth (and New Jerusalem creation in Isa 65:17-19), the saints reign with Christ for eternity… the only short period of ruler is Satan… bringing this earth age to an end. Actually, since Revelation-20 was written about 2000-years ago, yes, a single ‘thousand years’ has already passed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    Why Christ taught “Thy Kingdom Come”, Christ warned the Pharasee about looking for a Kingdom in this earth age, saying in Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is, or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom (spiritual) is within you’.”
    He also said, I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go I will return to take you to be where I am.” This is Gods Paradise, as it always was, it comes down (or) is revealed out of heaven… much like the temples made by man, the original has always been in heaven… as promised (new).

  • http://www.facebook.com/don.sciba.3 Don Sciba

    Thanks for you insight, DeWayne, I appreciate your detailed reply.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    Joseph
    Also, the Greek language does not alter the Greek math theorem in base-10, which progressed to the ‘thousands’ we are concerned with. This means both Chilioi (adjective) and Chilia (noun) speak of ‘thousands’, if one thousands is the quantity, then all that is needed is notation of one as quantifier. You will note ‘Chilioi’ is found alone as a single word only in Rev 20:1-7 and 2 Pe 3:8, all other times having either an addition (pentikischilioi) or a complex word group (chilias – diakosias – hexekomta)… regardles still rendered as ‘thousands’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    Charles
    You are referencing two different earth ages, this present earth age, and the enternal earth age to come. In this earth age (yet in flesh body) the reign with Christ is in spiritual context, the kingdom of God now within as Christ told the Pharasee… yet obvious having effect in this earth age. Satan now bound also has ‘spiritual’ effect in this earth age, although bound in the abyss, his kingdom said in the ‘air’ (spiritual realm).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    I would like to add something to study…
    Satan at one time freely roaming heaven and earth was able to lead (all) of the nations astray. There appears an ability of Satan to lead entire nations astray, Moses and family were the exception.
    Satan today is limited, besides the enmity God put between his seed and the womans. Simply ‘resist the devil and he will flee from you’ is assured today.
    Satan is now described as Eph 2:2 “…ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.” This ‘air’ is in context a spiritual realm, and today Satan is called a liarand deceiver. This spiritual realm is like the Kingdom of God within ourselves, of those with the HS.
    I will agree with you, in our recent centuries, and certainly today, there appear (many) that would rather believe a lie. I would not limit this to any religious or religion. Although do believe (something) wants us involved in a religious war…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    Another observation about Satan, at this time the bible telling us we are involved in a spiritual war, with the word providing spiritual weapons to fight this war. Satan at this time ‘spiritually’ active although limited to deception and tempting, along with Satans servants (man with mark of the beast) that will put some saints to death.
    There is coming a time however told in Rev-20, when Satan is to be released as ruler of earth, and as before in spiritual-body will (again) lead everyone astray… all but a remnant of saints about who are said ‘these are they that came out of the Great Tribulations’.
    There is only one time Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven, told of in Isaiah 12:15 ” How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the
    dawn!… But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.”
    The grave of course is Sheol/Hell, and the pit is the abyss among other names. Immediately from this point begins the ‘spiritual war’ of Satan, in his ‘kingdom of the air spiritual realm’ on this earth.
    The Millennium theory in contrast says Satan does not enter the abyss until after Christs ‘Return or Day of the Lord’ for a thousand years reign with saints. Instead Rev-20 tells us the thousands of years ends when Satan is released. Satan then after a short time gathers his army (described quite apparently as the second resurrection from the grave/Sheol, they are conquered and cast back into Hell/Hades (called the Burning Lake of Fire). Last Death and Hades are cast into the “Lake of Fire”, this quite different than the “Burning Lake of Sulfur” where the Beast and False Prophet were earlier cast alive and awaited Satan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/DeWayne-Benson/100001902340083 DeWayne Benson

    Plain sense… says Satan was bound in the abyss for a MIllennium, and next saints of the first resurrection reign with Christ for a millennium, both Millennium theory say each is an exact thousand years.
    Now if both Millennium end at the same time, does it make sense according the Millennium theory both will not happen until Christ returns, scripture instead saying Christ returns this second time in Heb 9:28 “He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.” Some take this to mean (all) were waiting for salvation, but this clearly says Christ is the salvation they are waiting for.
    There is no third, forth, or more times Christ returns (a second time), what happens at the Return is judgment, as the complete verse says, Heb 9:27-28 “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.” Not to many saints or saved today will say they are not already saved as long as staying in Christ, having the HS as deposit guaranteeing all of the promises… and all of the saints (eternal) promises are answered at the Return of Christ.

  • Me

    I need clarify my earlier statement. When Chilioi is found used singularly as in Rev 20:1-7 and 2 Peter 3:8, to find duration of ‘thousands years’, this duration will be found described as it is known throughout the bible.

    In the case of Rev 20:1-7, the bible tells of Satan cast once only from heaven in Isa 14:12-15 (into grave/pit), and Rev 12:8-10 tells us this begins salvation and Christ’s Kingdom, indicating an extensive yet undefined duration of years, yet greater than ‘one thousand’. The bible will also show the later resurrection of saints continues, also greater in duration greater than ‘one thousand’ years.

    Keep in mind Chilioi does not indicate a subject ‘duration’,it simply expresses this duration as in Greek unit of ‘Thousands’.

  • DeWayne

    Christ made mention of Daniel in regard to the 70th week (7 years), this when Satan is released to become ruler of the earth, for a short time.
    What is interesting about the Greek Chilioi, is that the Greek pronounce this numeric as (plural) ‘Thousands’.
    This common ‘Chilioi’ is mentioned for both Satan bound in the abyss, and the first resurrection of saints
    Chilioi is a product of Greek math theorem, of Base-10, and is 10x3rd-power, representing the (multiple unit) or term of ‘Thousands’.
    Chilioi is found alone (singularly) only eight times in the entire New Testament, 6-times in Rev 20:1-7, and remaining 2-times in 2 Peter 3:8.
    It is very apparent John of Patmos selected Chilioi used alone (in above verses), because neither of these duration’s endings were known to John. Rev-20 tells of the (once only) Satan cast from heaven directly into the Abyss (see Isaiah regarding cast into grave (Sheol) and pit (abyss).
    According to 2 Thess Satan is now restrained in the abyss According to Christ the redeemed as saint (have a part eternally) in the (first) resurrection. The saint reign (spiritually) today with Christ. Both of these earth age events (of Chilioi years) end when Satan is released from the abyss. Nowhere in Rev-20 does it say for ‘one’ thousands (of) years.
    Chilioi as an open ended ‘Thousands’ of years, and should read as it did in era John used the numeric, to describe ‘Thousands of Years’ during this earth age, until Satan released shortly brings the end of this age.
    My complete study is at:
    http://rtpricetag.home.comcast.net/~rtpricetag/Millennium.html

  • DeWayne

    About Satan cast from heaven (once only), Isaiah say ‘How you have fallen… you were brought down to the grave (Sheol), and the pit (Abyss).

    Some think Satan was cast from heaven multiple times, this is not supported in the bible. About Satan spiritually active at this time, scripture tells of his ‘kingdom in the air (spiritual), the (spirit) who is now at work in those that are disobedient’.
    Do you know that the Catholic church, from which this Millennium had origin, strongly rejects the common teaching (error) about a ‘Millennium’?

  • DeWayne

    As long as people believe there in a Millennium, a ‘one thousand years’ when some rule over lesser people, this ‘Millennium’ teaching error will continue.

  • DeWayne

    Those that believe a Satan bound is then neutered and ineffective of any way of (influence), did not find the implication describing Judas, “Satan entered Judas”.

  • DeWayne

    Christ said the (Messianic) Kingdom, is within you. Also that my Kingdom now is from another place (not of this present earth)… and if I go, I will return to take you to be with me where I am. No one seems to believe Isaiah about new creations of Jerusalem, Heaven, and earth. Or this present earth will in the end become similar to the beginning of it’s creation, (in a state) never seen before, and never to be seen again.

  • DeWayne

    The Catholic church that began in 382AD calling “Chilioi’ as a Latin Millennium, continues strongly rejecting this present millennium teaching… saying Christ’s Kingdom began at His ministry, and the saints ‘reign’ today (and for eternity) with Christ in spiritual realm (the Kingdom is within you).

  • DeWayne

    Amie
    Matt 6:9
    Pray “Your will be done on earth (as it IS done in heaven”… look around you, does it look as like this is heaven… or is His kingdom (on earth) spiritually (within you).

  • DeWayne

    Re read Rev 20:1-7, their are two time durations called an open end (Greek unit of Thousands), these two events have two different durations (in this present earth age), are you saying the reign of saints end when Satan is released, when the Chilioi time durations of this earth age end… but Satan and saints continue a short time within more event until the end of this earth age, don’t they???
    How many saints lost their ‘reign with Christ’???

  • DeWayne

    Yes, Satan is bound and cannot at this time (again) lead all the nations astray. Satan will be released as Revelation 20:1-3 warns, and again will lead all (his Gog and Magog) and all wicked remaining on earth. Where are the saints then, the angels will gather them at Christ’s return, from ‘one end of the heavens to the other’.

    Yet Satan and his fallen angels are now (spiritually active), much limited, and described now as Eph 2:2 “…the ruler of the kingdom of the air, (the spirit who is now at work) in those who are disobedient.”

  • DeWayne

    Charles…

    Keep in mind the word ‘Millennium’ is a Latin Vulgate translation, translated from the NT Greek (Rev-20) numeric ‘Chilioi’… agreed found in earliest manuscripts.

    So you are in error, Rev-20 says (nowhere) “a” or “one” thousand years… in fact it doesn’t even say a (sum) of a thousand.

    Chilioi is derived from Greek math theorem base-10, in which (10x3rd power) describes the UNIT of ‘Thousands’. Check your (orig Greek) NT bible, when Chilioi/Chilias are found, to describe the (sum), they will have additional numeric included describing the sum involved… except unusually 2 Peter 3:8, and Rev-20, where Chilioi is found without additional numeric for a sum.

    Neither Latin Mile (aka Mille) nor Greek Chilioi say a thousand years, at the time Revelation was written, ‘Chilioi etee’ said (plural) ‘Thousands’ (plural) ‘Years’… literally.

  • DeWayne

    Again, Psalm 90:4 says nothing about ‘one’ Thousand years, and again as found in 2 Peter 3:8 emphasizes only the equivalent of being ‘as like’ a thousand years. The time of this earth age in Sheol (Hell) will certainly seem forever (suffer forever and ever), yet when destroyed in the Lake of Fire, the bible now says ‘the smoke of their suffering’ rises forever. We must treat rules of language one way, and the rules of numbers differently. Certainly there is figurative and symbolic use, yet the rule of mathematics is not changed by language, and regarding Revelation 20:1-7, we have the Greek math theorem established and clearly explained. The Greek root-numeric ‘Chili’ represents (10x3rd power) “Thousands”, the numeric-stem “Chilia and Chilioi’ both represent (plural) Thousands, any difference is in purpose used.

  • DeWayne

    Thank you, this wise logic exists to be understood in Revelation 20:4-6, what Christian pastor will ever tell his congregation the ‘reign of saints’ ends when Satan is released from the abyss. My experience with preacher’s asked (at funeral) about a deceased saint, the reply is ‘they are (now) with the Lord’, now if the preacher denied they are reigning with Christ, I would no longer listen to such false teaching from a preacher.

  • DeWayne

    This is correct, that Satan is (now) bound and sealed in the abyss, yet Satan and his dark angels are described active ‘in the spirit’ at this time, described in Eph 2:1-2 “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and…

    of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.”

    The ‘kingdom of the air’ is a realm yet of this earth, and the ‘spiritual war’ is of and upon this earth. However Satan as once before, cannot ‘Lead all the nations (people) astray’, this will not happen again until Satan is released from the abyss, this also described in Revelation and the bible.

    About this present time (remaining earth age), it is described in Rev 12:10 “Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.”

  • DeWayne

    Revelation tells in the Last Days of two witnesses, that are actually ‘two of two’, two Olive trees (and) two Lampstands. As this is taken from revelation were the stars are angels, then the lampstands are the ‘seven churches’ (plural), would it not be possible these are both Jewish and Christian (and)… also they stand before the Lord, Satan is then Ruler over earth, is this lord (now) Satan.

    Throughout the bible the Olive Tree are the Jewish (or Hebrew people), however we are reading Revelation, where the ‘two lampstand are the church’. It is understood that to validate testimony, ‘two or more witnesses’ are required. Why then are not the ‘Two Witnesses’ people’s of the messianic Jewish, and the Christian saints? These in our day will be seen by all people on earth, certainly we have TV, but in the Last Day, the Jewish are still scattered into all nations, hopefully by that time there will be (some) Christians left.

  • DeWayne

    Logic is that saints were resurrected by Christ when He Eph 4:8 “When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.”, saying He ‘resurrected’ the captives (upright and righteous as promised). Logic then says these resurrected saints (upright and righteous of Old Testament) reign for ever and ever, not ‘one thousand years’. So if you agree saints reign forever with Christ, then the (two) ‘Latin-Millennium (Greek-Chilioi)’ describe as the Greek numeric intended as a period of ‘Thousands of Years’ during this earth age. This (simple logic) ‘Thousands of Years have NOT YET come to and end’… until Satan is released to bring the end.

  • DeWayne

    It is true in the end Satan defeated will be thrown (back) into the ‘Burning Lake of fire’, where the Beast and False Prophet before thrown alive awaited Satan, but this is (only) a holding place, where eventually ALL wicked are thrown.

    But here is the last word of Rev 20:15 about this (composite) now called ‘Death and Hades’, Rev 20:14-15 “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”

    Here ‘Death’ is Satan, and Hades (grave, Sheol, Hell, Pit, Abyss, Deepest-Darkest, Lake of Sulfur, etc.) is where the wicked and un-redeemed are cast, the consuming fire is God, only God can destroy what he has created. And after this, the “smoke of their suffering”, is all that remains forever… as punishment.

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