Does God Need Anything?

Post Author: Bill Pratt 

Christians believe that God is completely self-sufficient, that he is complete within himself.  There is nothing that God needs that he doesn’t already have.  The quote below, from A. W. Tozer in The Knowledge of the Holy,  summarizes the point extremely well.

To admit the existence of a need in God is to admit incompleteness in the divine Being.  Need is a creature-word and cannot be spoken of the Creator.  God has a voluntary relation to everything He has made, but He has no necessary relation to anything outside of Himself.  His interest in His creatures arises from His sovereign good pleasure, not from any need those creatures can supply nor from any completeness they can bring to Him who is complete in Himself.

Practically speaking, it is a serious error to think that humanity is somehow providing God assistance that he needs to accomplish his tasks.  God may use human beings to complete certain tasks, but he never needs them.  He allows them to participate with him in the affairs of the world, but only out of his good pleasure.  Whenever humans start to think they are indispensable to God, a prideful fall is sure to follow.

  • gloria

    God does use us, but He most definately does not need us. This is a fundamental difference that I have discoverd in my walk with the Lord since coming out of the LDS faith into a saving relationship with God. God uses me, to testify to witness to share the good news – but He most definately does not need me….. my relationship to Him is completely dependent. I depend on Him for everything. When I came to the Lord there was NO one there witnessing to me. No christian friends — NO one but God Himself. He truly drew me to Him. Using the Word of God, not people. Amazing. He is God, His very creations witness this.

    When I was LDS I was taught that Heavenly FAther needed me to bring down spirit children, that Heavenly Father needed me to be a ‘savior on Mt. Zion’. When my eyes were opened and the scales removed, I realized that this mindset was most definately wrong. God is God and Has always been God and He most definately does not need me! He commands me to go to the ends of the world to share the message of Salvation – and I am blessed to participate, but I am not needed by Him. He can witness and testify and glorify Himself over and over again. Jesus said it well when He said :
    ” Father Glorify Thy Name”
    And God’s response to His son:
    “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.” John 12: 28

    God bless,

  • Andrew Ryan

    If God wanted to create us, that means he has desires. If he has desires that means he can’t be perfect, as it means he is lacking whatever he desires.

  • Anonymous

    He may have create us out of the overflowing of His completeness, instead of as out of need.

    Consider, as an analogy, the conception of a human child, in two examples, pushed to extremes…

    You have perhaps been aware of young women who, feeling rather lacking and incomplete, desire to become pregnant so that she can be fulfilled by motherhood, have someone to love, and (more importantly) someone to love her.

    The other end of the scale would be a committed and loving couple, who out of the abundance of their love, conceive a child.

    One “desire” arises from lack, the other from fullness.

    For what it’s worth, this is for my head one of the better defenses of the Trinity, as the ongoing relationships better allow for the second analogy; creation from the fullness of actual love, rather than a desire to make real potential love.

  • Andrew Ryan

    Either the second couple WANT a child or they don’t. If yes, then desire was involved. If no, then the creation came without the will. Thus the problem is still there – to me, anyway.

  • Darrell

    It is only when speaking of the God of the philosophers that we can say that God”s desire to share love (the Love so profoundly shared between the Persons of the Trinity and which demonstrates itself in their desire to have perfect union with their creation) with others means a lack of prefection. For, the defintion of perfection that this criticism refers to is one that has been created by these very philosophers. Unfortunately, this begs the question that this definition of perfection in God is correct. Personally, I believe this is an incorrect. Perfection, at least in my opinion, as it applies to God *is* complete love. It is only by being completely loving that one can be perfect. God Himself tells us that the sum of the Law and the Prophets is summed up by loving Him and loving others as ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    I hear the point, but I think the difference is huge:
    Creation as a result of fulfillment v. Creation as an means to fulfillment.
    Creation as consequence v. Creation as prerequisite condition.

  • Moviemoon

    Where in the Bible does it say that God does NOT need us?

  • marielyn

    i love jesus he cant anything for him self .

  • Razor284

    In God’s defence, he is imaginary.

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  • jesus H christ

    this is absolute garbage. god has relationships with the devil. what god thinks he needs is much less than he actually needs. god is incomplete due to the low level of need involved in taking away need without taking it away.

  • jesus H christ

    god DOES need us. we provide guidance for his distracted half wit pathetic excuse for a valuable deity. this life isn’t a game, its not free, its not irrelevant. every bit of reasonable judgement you make is need coming into being. if you choose to deter from this will than you have created another session of a now 10-minute long course of anarchy sided against divinity which is about the same as taking god and making it irrelevant to itself forever.